Le Pala vindicte mourra au patch 3.0.3 ...

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Hello paladins,

Sorry we didn't get a chance to pre-announce these changes before the data were pushed to the beta. I won't try to sugarcoat it -- these are nerfs.

As I tried to explain before, we concluded a couple of weeks ago that Retribution was doing too much damage in PvP. We tried to nerf the burst damage through the previous changes to Divine Storm etc. Unfortunately, those changes didn't prove sufficient. Not only were paladins still destroying other classes in PvP, but we also found their PvE damage, even at level 80, was too high. Many classes were concluding they were too weak based on comparing their numbers to paladin numbers (and to be fair, hunters and in some cases mages and warriors).

Here are the new changes:

1) Judgements of the Wise: Mana gained reduced from 33% to 15% of base mana. We spent many hours arriving at this number. For example, we did a lot of Patchwerk fights, watching the mana bar to see when and if it ever went down. In BGs, we were seeing paladins able to go from target to target without pausing even when unleashing all of their attacks. While we don't want you to go OOM in a few seconds, we don't want you to ignore the mana bar either. Mana is not rage -- warriors can't typically start a battle with a full bar.

2) Judgement of Wisdom: mana gained reduced to 1% of maximum mana and proc frequency cut by 50%. This ability was flat out better than Vampiric Touch when the mana provided between the two really needs to be close in order for the decision between Shadow priest and Retribution paladin to be a real one.

3) Judgement and Seals: Damage reduced by 20%. This is the major damage adjustment -- a lot of damage was coming from these. We do realize this hurts Holy and Protection as well, and that is something for which we are prepared to offer compensation (particularly if it hurts Protection's threat generation).

4) Hammer of Wrath: Now can’t be used until the target is below 20% health. Our rule of thumb is that core "Execute-style" abilities work at 20% and talented abilities work at 35% health. We originally had Hammer at 35% based on some other limitations of the spell.

5) Art of War: Increased damage bonus to Judgements, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm. I'll report back on the exact numbers here when we've settled on them.

I also want to add that the token Blessing of Might change wasn't intended as a joke -- it is designed so that Battle Shouts won't cancel the longer and more expensive Blessing of Might in a group setting.

These seem like pretty severe nerfs, but that was the intention. It is difficult for some players to ever be truly objective with issues surrounding their class, but in this case we felt Ret was severely overpowered. This was not in the realm of small tweaks to fix (though we did try originally). We overhauled the paladin class for Lich King, so it is unfortunate but not too surprising that the numbers for the dps spec require a lot of iteration. The mistake is ours, not the fault of the player base or beta testers.

Nerfing a spec or class is never fun. It means that our initial estimates of numbers were off and we know that the community is going to react negatively (to put it mildly). But we have to try and keep the game in a relatively balanced state and that is going to mean making decisions that are unpopular sometimes. If you need to blame someone for the nerfs, blame me.

As always, if we over-compensated, we'll adjust the numbers again. But as I said, our initial round of nerfs wasn't sufficient. Lest you fear that Lich King is upon as and you won't see any additional changes, that is not our point of view. We changed a lot in the game and we need to be able to rectify problems. I would expect early patches or even hotfixes to deal with class or balance problems, and hopefully these will slow down as we get closer to major content releases. But nothing is off the table after we ship, down to rearchitecting talent trees if we think that is called for. This isn't to suggest we aren't happy with the state of the game. Rather, my word that we will continue to iterate on problem areas as they come up.

I also want to stress that we do not make balance decisions based on the QQ of other classes. At most, if there is a pretty vocal outcry that will encourage us to rerun the numbers to see if something is amiss. As vocal, and sometimes passionate and even logical as forum posts can be, they represent a fraction of the entire fanbase and it would be foolish for us to clobber one group of players solely based on the whining from another group.

Go ahead and vent if you have to. We won't delete posts or ban posters in this thread unless they are overly offensive. We do ask that you not launch a thousand other threads so that other paladin issues can still be discussed. Likewise, we have no problem with other classes engaging in the discussion but outright gloating or trolling will be frowned upon.

And I do apologize for putting you through this.

Quote from: Ghostcrawler (Source)

En gros :

-la regen mana du pala passe de 33% à 15% lors du jugement (très insuffisant pour avoir essayé sur le server test, je suis oom en moins de 2 min).
-tempête divine passe de dégats magiques à des dégats physiques (il faudra qu'on m'explique pourquoi ça s'appelle tempête "divine" dans ce cas) => énorme nerf.
-marteau de justice n'est utilisable qu'à 20% de la vie de la cible (35% avant).

Et en plus, le dev s'excuse des nerfs que le pala ret va subir.

En conclusion, je pense que mon futur main sera ma guerrière ou mon chamy.

R.I.P Berron

Le pala restera un bon Heal de MT ?

Je monte pas ma pala pour rien quand meme :(

Aucune idée sur la spé heal, hussa.
Je sais juste que tous les palas de toutes les spé se plaignent...

C'était prévisible dès la sortie du patch Luis....
Il n'y avait qu'à voir les multiples "whines" sur les fofos officiels demandant un nerf du retpal ou les milliards de rerolls pala ou encore les stats en bg de ces mêmes paladins....

C'est typique de Blizzard ça... Ils uppent monstrueusement une classe puis la descendent en plein vol 15 jours plus tard....

Souviens toi de la sortie de BC, il s'était passé exactement la même chose avec le druide (Pour rappel Zequate avec son ours tankait "mieux" que Marc ou Alban)

Et je ne pense pas que le retpal soit mort pour autant, il aura toujours son utilité en raid. Avec la cohorte de mort-vivants que l'on va se taper dans WOTLK, ils ont encore de beaux jours devant eux ;)

Ben non justement, quand tu vois qu'inquisition utilise 20% de la mana totale d'un pala et que le jugement permet de récupérer 15% de cette même mana, on est omm en moins de 2 min !!

C'est le résultat que j'ai eu sur le server test...

C'est l'éternelle problème des gars qui se plaignent sans cesse sur les forums.A défaut d'être important dans leur vie ,il faut qu'ils se sentent plus pisser dans un jeu.Du coup les classes n'arrêtent pas de changer,vu qu'il est impossible de tout équilibrer en 1vs1.Ça m'arrive souvent de me faire 3 shots par un paladin mais ca m'empêche pas de vivre.Éventuellement qu'il revoit un peu le burst du paladin pourquoi pas,mais le coup de la regene mana par exemple c'est débile.
Enfin bon,t'inquiete pas le mage ça été pareil pendant près de deux ans.Une vrai merde en pvp en spe feu ou arcane.Mais la c'est du bonheur.Est ce que ca restera comme ca,j'ai un doute.

Ha ouais? alors pourquoi tu pleurais l'autre soir parce que tu t'es fait tuer par un druide? Tu as appelé maman pour qu'elle vienne te faire un calin et t'as piquer une crise de larme pendant près d'une heure en sanglotant que ta vie n'avais plus de sens??

Ouais ... mais un druide .... quand meme ! C'est lamentable !



/bow

Ça sent le vécu n'est ce pas Kasma

Bah j'ai jamais reussi à descendre un druide 50% alors le tuer ... ca relève du fantasme !

/bow